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Take me home, Shady Sands! Let’s talk about the Fallout TV show, the conflict between storytelling and lore, and of course… Shady Sands.
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I am shocked. Shocked and appalled I tell you. The absolute gall to blow up the beloved shady sands at the hands of some random vault tek suit
when I’d already done it at the end of Lonesome Road, lol
Honestly, I was cool with the NCR going belly up because the house always wins
Shady Sands getting nuked fits PERFECTLY with the setting and themes. This controversy is dumb.
Walton Goggins is everywhere
I have an issue with the shady sands destruction, but not that it was destroyed (also i really love the show).
Specifically, I have an issue with who destroyed it. I think making the primary villains pre-war and also responsible for the major bad events both before and after the bombs fell just makes the takeaway theme “these people are bad and they’re the one doing bad things. The problem is just that they still exist”
And frankly, that’s just kind of shallow? I fell in love with the social commentary in fallout because so often, the villains had consistent (albiet largely psychotic) philosophies and they were just… people. Often, people who held no appreciable power before very recently. Largely, it was the ideas they represented that were the problem, not the people themselves, which set the stage for “War… War never changes.”
Just having vault 31 be a hyper militaristic psyop of people bred and educated by those pre-war assholes would have done amazing things for the themes of fallout. It would allow the philosophy to be the problem, rather than the specific people.
…how long Steph been wearing that collar and how did I not notice?
IRONICALLY, what little I saw on Social Media was actually VERY POSITIVE!! Then again, I don’t really go on Twitter or Fallout Fan Pages so maybe that’s why?
As a Fallout Fan who’s been with the series since I played the demo from Inside Mac Games via a mailed CD, the loss of Shady Sands was a very emotional moment. If you liked Shady Sands and wanted to help the NCR prosper, you had the ability to do that in the three ‘West Coast’ games (Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout: New Vegas). Each game, depending on your choices, can hail your character as a hero who helped Shady Sands/NCR and even regarded as a hero.
Sow hen I see Shady Sands and the presence of the NCR almost completely gone, I feel like a tragedy occurred and I wasn’t there to help. Where was my NCR loyal Courier? How did they react when the news hit? Are there still remnants of the NCR outside of the group we saw at the end?
And from Jim’s view on things needing to change, I agree. Fallout 2 and Fallout: New Vegas never painted the NCR as a prodigal society that could do no wrong. They hired mob bosses to pressure other places into joining them and the many tragic moments in New Vegas that were caused by their inept and inexperienced army. That was definitely change and development that I stood by. The only slight issue I have with nuking the NCR out of existence is that it paints a nihilistic outlook on everything. Nothing is allowed to prosper because it wouldn’t be ‘wasteland’y enough. Nothing can ever be rebuilt because we can just bomb it all over again. No one should hope for anything because someone will just come along, flip a switch and everything will be laid waste and the world made worse. The show offers no hook on why anyone would want to continue existing in it and offered the game fans little hope that the stories they care about will matter since, again, they can just drop a nuke on it. That’s more bothersome to me than Shady Sands being wiped out.
Loved fallout ever since fallout 1. I am a certified Bethesda hater and I actively avoid fandoms.
I absolutely loved the show more than anything Fallout has done in the past 10 years. It felt like late 90’s Fallout again.
There’s something to be said about the fact that every Fallout product not directly made by Bethesda is a banger, while everything Bethesda does is just slop. They literally “Starfieldized” Fallout 4 with that “next gen” update lmao.
Cant wait for the day Bethesda is restricted to publishing duty and never ever develops (and please NEVER EVER WRITES) anything Fallout again (and yeah… TES too).
There was more to the NCR than Shady Sands so technically its fall doesn’t mean the NCR is dead. Regardless the fall is still an interesting decision because if they are still around, what does this new post Shady Sands NCR look like and how do they interact with everyone? If not, what influence does the legacy of the NCR leave in the wasteland? Either way it opens the door for new interesting stories to be told.
I actually love what they did with the fallout tv. But alot of the time “what the writers have to say” is the complete disregard of the media they are adapting. The Netflix Resident Evil, The Witcher, The live action Halo series, etc etc. Basic foundational aspects of characters thrown out or changed completely to fit the writers political and cultural beliefs. If they really want a series to say what they believe just write a new story not hack apart a existing one.
I wonder how much of the backlash is just “the thing made me feel a feeling and I don’t know how to deal with that so now I’m mad at it.” People freak out sometimes when media induces a genuine emotional reaction that isn’t “positive” and use anger to mask that.
The vault tech thing is not going to be a retcon. They did this in the games too. It’s a red herring.
I think you might have missed what people meant they retconned it out of spite, all though I don’t think it’s been proven yet it’s often believed Bethesda were annoyed at obsidian for making a better fallout game than they did, I don’t think I’m wrong in saying there’s bad blood between Bethesda and obsidian.
Tactics Fans: We did try to change, it broke the company.
Oh Jim finally went back to talking about videogames instead of “waaah I’m trans”
Neat…
I’ll have to come back to this one after I’ve finished watching. In the meantime you and the algorithm will have to make do with some engagement. So enjoy. Here’s me engaging right on out of here.
My only complaint is that Shady Sands isn’t near LA.
It didn’t impact my enjoyment of the show at all.
Brilliant as always.
Its always fun seeing folks flip out about whatever details they’re upset about before the show/movie even comes out. Or even if part of it comes out but isn’t completed.
On top of that the new complaint i’ve been seeing is when media follows the source material too closely. Its wild out there. Literally an entire culture based on complaining. And if you say anything in opposition to that it makes you a “shill” or just willing to consume anything.
A shining example of adaptations for me is the Preacher show on AMC. They changed a lot but it was basically all for the better. I can almost even say i liked it more than the comic i already loved.